America's Crazy Train
'The Groypers Have Taken Over. We Run This,' Boasts Nick Fuentes. He May Be Right
So, where are we in this dramatic week in American conservative politics? The last thing I saw before going to bed last night was this video from Kevin Roberts, the head of the Heritage Foundation. Watch it; it’s important:
You might not realize this unless you are paying close attention to conservative politics, but this is a Very Big Deal. Kevin Roberts is a personal friend, a serious Catholic, and a very good man. But it’s hard for me to see this video in a positive light. I’ll let A.G. Hamilton break down the difficulty with this short address:
So here is what I will say as a long-time fan of Heritage: It’s understandable that an organization like this would want to focus on fighting the left and avoid what they view as infighting on the right. I personally think the right should police its own side, especially from malicious actors who seek to align with the left to destroy conservative institutions, alliances, and social structures... but it’s not mandatory for every group to do so. They can certainly just ignore the current fight.
But there are two very clearly incompatible ideas in this video. On the one hand, Kevin argues we should confront bad ideas instead of just “cancelling them”. Then, less than a minute later, he refers to people confronting the bad ideas of Tucker Carlson/Fuentes as a “venomous coalition” and accuses them of “sowing division.”
So, which is it? Should we confront Tucker and debate him/call out his lies or does doing so make us venomous and = “sowing division”?
More importantly, Tucker is causing the division. He has gone to war with people who disagree with him on the right and is actively allying with the far-left, racial supremacists, and pro-CCP propagandists (see his recent guest list), and many others that Heritage has spent years opposing, to do so. He spreads lies almost daily, not just about other countries, but also people on the right that disagree with him.
Insisting that no one is allowed to notice this or fight back is nonsense. No one forced Tucker down this path. He chose it. The people Tucker is at war with, including conservative Jews and Christian Zionists, have been some of Heritage’s biggest supporters over the years. They helped make Heritage into what it is today.
So I am fine if Heritage wants to focus on the left and stay out of the fight over the future of the right, but I have a serious problem with Heritage instead throwing those people under the bus for Tucker. Maybe that’s not what the below video meant to do, but it can certainly be read that way.
It can be. I hope that’s not the intent. I am not a regular viewer of Tucker’s show, or anybody’s for that matter, so I can neither agree nor disagree with A.G. Hamilton’s claim about Tucker’s guest list. I’m only concerned with him having Fuentes on for a softball interview. If Tucker had grilled him — and Tucker is so good at this that he could have reduced Fuentes to rubble — that would be a different thing.
Tucker said he hated people like me, Christian Zionists, more than anybody else on earth. So, right-wing Christians who criticized Tucker for the Fuentes interview are now part of the “venomous coalition”? Really? Is NETTR (“No Enemies To The Right”) the rule now?
I agree that it is perfectly understandable and justifiable for an institution like Heritage to ignore the fighting over the Tucker/Fuentes interview. But they’ve chosen to engage, and to do so in a way meant to anathematize critics of Tucker. I believe that all this is de facto normalizing Fuentes. Look at this (don’t play it in a place where people can hear it; Fuentes calls Adolf Hitler “really fuckin’ cool”):
There is NO context in which this evil fool can be normalized or granted credibility! Look what Fuentes is saying today. He knows how to read the room:
And here is Fuentes responding to Roberts’s statement in the video that he “abhors” Fuentes’s views:
“Our movement.” Not my movement, pal. Not now, not ever, not with you in it. Notice, though, how Fuentes is cleverly associating himself with Heritage (“our movement”), even though Roberts explicitly denounced him. Credibility! Groypers are now crawling en mass through the Overton Window, which our people have opened.
The Left has been dismantling its appeal with wokeness, and now is about to elect Zohran Mamdani, whose entire ideological position is completely antithetical to what most Americans believe in. There has never been a better opportunity for the Right to consolidate its gains and become the party for normal people. But no, we can’t do that — we have to find some way of coming to terms with white nationalists and Jew haters onside, because if we don’t, the radical Left will win. Right? Is that the thinking?
No. Never. This Groyper lie, in some version, might come to power, but not through me. Fight the Evil Left does not require a tactical alliance with the Evil Right.
Look, as I think I said here yesterday, I am told by someone in a position to know that something like 30 to 40 percent of DC GOP staffers under the age of 30 are Groypers. If so, that’s horrifying. But that only means that this has to be confronted, straight up, without compromise, and battled down. A conservative movement unwilling to or incapable of doing this is not one worth saving.
Read this:
A few years ago, I went to Auschwitz. Look at this:
Those are clothes that belonged to Jewish children. The Nazis took them off, gassed the children, and threw their little bodies into the ovens. “Fuckin’ cool,” right? So says Nick Fuentes and his followers, who now consider themselves to be within “our movement,” and “run[ning] this.”
Here are some of the ovens where those children, and six million other human beings, ended up:
Fuckin’ cool, are they? Empty cans of Zyklon B gas, used to exterminate six million human beings, most of them Jews:
Are you aware of what some of these Fuentes types are calling Generation Z?
That’s from a TikTok account claiming the name with transgressive pleasure. It’s all over the Internet. Look for yourself. You need to know this is what Fuentes is mainstreaming, and that more normal people within the conservative establishment have now stumbled into making more respectable, in the same way the normie liberals have sanctioned pure Jew hatred via the pro-Palestine movement.
The leadership class of the American Right is now having a “Man For All Seasons” moment. That is, they are going to have to ask themselves what they are willing to do and say, and to accept, for the sake of power. The famous perjury scene from the film version is here:
Our Revolutionary Moment
As you know, I frequently disagree with my friend David Brooks, even though I have a lot of respect for him as a thoroughly decent man. I just think he’s wrong about politics most of the time. But his column today is worth reading; I’ve unlocked it for you all. It’s about how the MAGA Right took up the strategies of the woke left. Excerpts:
Critical Theory. This intellectual hodgepodge that emerged from something called the Frankfurt School built on Marxism and influenced the New Left over the past two generations. One of its tenets is that the supposedly neutral institutions of society are simply shams that the elite use to mask their grip on power. Trump agrees. A neutral Justice Department? Gone. A neutral media? Gone. A neutral Constitution? Going. A neutral judiciary? Going. Free speech? Going.
We would not be where we are today if the Left had not given up on neutrality in all these areas. True neutrality is an impossible ideal, but it is at least an ideal worth aiming for, and it could be largely achievable in a society more cohesive than ours (see MacIntyre). But we on the Right sat back for a long time watching the Left bend these institutions to their ideology — and it accelerated massively around 2012. Newton’s Third Law of Motion: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
My sense is that what David sees as “neutral” a lot of us would see as … not. At all. Or even trying to be. More Brooks:
Identity Politics. This is based, first, on the idea that your group identity explains your worldview more than your individual consciousness. It is based, second, on the idea that history is a struggle between oppressor and oppressed groups. It is based, third, on the idea that victimized groups are innocent and oppressor groups are evil. You are defined by how much your group is oppressed. Over the last few decades identity-based departments flourished in American universities — women’s studies, African American studies, etc.
Trump took this idea and flipped it on its head. Now cultural studies professors are the evil oppressors, and evangelical Christians are the persecuted oppressed. As so many have noted, MAGA is identity politics for white people. It turns out that identity politics is more effective when your group is in the majority.
OK, but still, white people, especially white Christians, and white Christian males most of all, are the only ones in America who were not allowed to identify with a group, and group interests. Consequently, they became demonized, and really did lose job opportunities, educational opportunities, and so forth. What interest do they have in maintaining an order that systematically demonized them? I cannot make it clearer how much I loathe Nick Fuentes … but he came from somewhere.
To be fair, Brooks says that the Left can’t let itself off the hook, because it started it, with Marx. He concludes:
If you want a one-sentence description of where politics is right now here’s my nominee: We now have a group of revolutionary rightists who have no constructive ideology confronting a group of progressives who let their movement be captured by a revolutionary left-wing ideology that failed.
Not too far from Weimar, honestly. After this week, I wonder if the crazy train that America is on can be stopped. Last word about Fuentes, who is, alas, genuinely popular. In the early 1930s, German conservative elites thought they could use Hitler against the Left, but control him. In Mein Kampf, Hitler said he would never let himself be controlled. We know who was right in the end. The elites on my side who are playing with Fuentes, Candace, and others better think hard about where this crazy train is likely to go on its right track. There is precedent.











Rod spends the first 2/3 of today's missive demanding more gate keeping of ideas that he doesn't agree with and explicitly accepting the position that not just Fuentes should be shunned but that Tucker Carlson should also be written out of polite society for the crime of attempting dialogue with him and not attacking him in the manner that Rod would have preferred.
He then spends extra time making an emotional appeal to authority that the groypers explicitly reject. They don't care about Auschwitz. They believe that at the minimum it's exaggerated and at the worst, it's entirely made up. At any rate it is in the ancient past as far as they're concerned and irrelevant to their concerns today. Invoking the Holocaust makes Boomers and most GenXers misty. No one under 30 cares.
Rod then devotes the rest of the diary to David Brooks and his general cluelessness about the world. He includes this:
"OK, but still, white people, especially white Christians, and white Christian males most of all, are the only ones in America who were not allowed to identify with a group, and group interests. Consequently, they became demonized, and really did lose job opportunities, educational opportunities, and so forth. What interest do they have in maintaining an order that systematically demonized them? I cannot make it clearer how much I loathe Nick Fuentes … but he came from somewhere."
Well, one place Fuentes came from is the fact that Buckleyite Conservatives and their Neocon allies purged older, wiser, more rational voices who addressed much of the groypers' grievances for wrong- think on Israel, immigration, and racial matters back in the 1990s and early 2000s. Sam Francis, Steve Sailor, John Derbyshire, Peter Brimelow and, of course, Patrick Buchanan himself all got declared personas non gratis for challenging the progressive position on these issues a little too aggressively and forth- rightly.
So, for the last 20 years or so, the perception of mainstream conservative thought has centered around "What's good for Israel/ the Military Industrial Complex/ Corporate Financial Interests?" and "The Conservative Case for Whatever Perversion Progressives Want to Push on Us."
The groypers are rejecting much of that and, being kids, they're doing it (or overdoing it) in offensively stupid ways. But they're not wrong to dismiss much of what has passed for mainstream conservative thought for the last 30 years, which is to say, for their entire lives.
And what does Rod offer the groypers to address their concerns in the temporal world they live in? Appeals to religious sensibilities don't work in a post- Christian world. Each individual groyper might be brought to a personal relationship with Christ that would (hopefully) but that still doesn't address their temporal concerns.
The really crazy thing is that, except for The Jew Thing, Rod points out routinely much of their concerns. He bangs on constantly about The Great Replacement ongoing in Europe. He routinely reports tales of Christian men being abandoned and divorced by their wives for no reason at all. He mentions black dysfunction all the time.
Were it not for the groypers' obsession with The Jew Thing as opposed to focusing on the atrocious behavior of the secular Israeli government, as Tucker tried to suggest that they do, Rod shares many of their same concerns. Their problems are real. Refusing to engage with them just sends the message that you don't care. You dismiss them and they'll dismiss you. The problem is that they're gonna be here at lot longer than Rod or I will.
I think A.J. Hamilton is reading stuff that wasn't there into the statement of Kevin Roberts.
As I heard it, Kevin makes two points that are very much along the lines of my own in a couple comments here this week when I said:
>>Personally, I don't get why it's so hard to understand the entirely legitimate and non-extreme position that the interests of America do not always exactly correspond to the interests of Israel...that no nation should be given a blank check by the United States...that the welfare of the American people should take priority over the welfare of the Israeli people or the Ukrainian people or the people of any other country on the globe.
This is my view and I believe it's an entirely legitimate expression of patriotism, realism, nationalism...and sanity. As opposed to the non-legitimate and extremist position that Jews are bad, that Jews run the country, that Jews are organized into a sinister cabal, that Jews are threats, blah blah blah -- all of which is classic anti-Semitism with a long historical pedigree. It is frankly a virus of the mind.
So to me, unthinking support for Israel and falsely labeling as antisemitic those opposing such a stance constitute one extreme. Hate-mongering and conspiracy theories about Jews are the actually antisemitic opposite extreme. The rational, defensible, and patriotic middle ground strikes me as the one I outlined above.<<
And:
>>...the much more dangerous and immediate threat is from the Wokeist ideology of the Dem-Media Party and its allies controlling major institutions of our society. Therefore, engaging in ritual denunciations of people on what is loosely called the "Right" is a counterproductive distraction from the real war.
If some other conservatives don't share that view...if they think some people on the Right to include a bunch of snarky nobodies in a group chat...are a problem on par with the forces responsible for the murder of Charlie Kirk, then, OK, it's a free country and they're allowed to hold that view. But they should not impute bad faith to conservatives who disagree with their judgment on that question.<<
Meanwhile, it seems clear to me that the current game of Nick Fuentes and his ilk is to gain respectability by hijacking the mantle of "America First."
But you don't have to be antisemitic, as Fuentes is, to subscribe to America First. In fact, the guy who basically founded the America First movement, fellow by the name of Trump, is not antisemitic and has actually provided Israel with crucial support over the last several turbulent months. (Arguably too much support but that's a different question.)
However you cut it, this ugly and apparently widening rift within the world of conservatism is a huge gift to the real enemy, which is why I think conservatives should not play the game...should not get trapped in this no-win quicksand.