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‘Organized Jewry’ is wrecking America, said Fuentes last night

Last night, RJ Moeller, the producer of the Live Not By Lies movie, and I rolled onto campus at Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton. We got there a bit early for the evening screening event with Ben Shapiro and Florida Lt. Gov. Jay Collins. Gov. DeSantis was going to come, but had to bow out; I’m glad of this, because Jay Collins, a former Green Beret and combat vet, was the man who, as a member of the Florida legislature, shepherded through a bill mandating that Florida public school students get educated in the historical evils of Communism. RJ and I thought it was weird how much police and private security presence there was on campus. You’d have thought a US president was coming.

Nope, it was for Ben Shapiro. I found out that Ben has lived under tight security for years in his home, but since Charlie Kirk’s killing, it has had to get even tighter. I’m telling you, it was staggering to see the kind of security a man has to live under simply because people want to kill him for opening his mouth. It made me ashamed, as an American, that it has come to this for us.

While we were in the Green Room waiting for Ben, I spoke to some local dignitaries, who happened to be Jewish, and some Jews who were part of Lt. Gov. Collins’s retinue. I’m writing this early on Tuesday morning, and it brings tears to my eyes thinking back to those conversations.

Jews are afraid. They have been completely blindsided by the swift rise of anti-Semitism on both the Left and the Right. As you regular readers know, I’ve known about this, and deplored it, but it’s something else when you talk to actual American Jews, even those who live in one of the best places for Jews in the United States (which, aside from Israel, is probably the best country in the world for Jews), and hear them talk about their fears.

One man told me that he now hears all the time people in his community talking about emigrating to Israel. He said, “I think for most of us, it’s just a matter of time.”

An Evangelical listening in on the conversation said that his wife has been shocked by how many normies in her local mom’s Facebook group share clips from Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes — truly crazy stuff. Said this flustered man, “These are suburban conservative moms who repost videos with Fuentes ranting about AIPAC, and they have no idea what AIPAC is.” They’re just going with the flow. They trust Fuentes and Owens, so whatever those two say, they accept.

Every one of the right-wing Jews to whom I spoke last night believe that Tucker Carlson is the most dangerous man in America to Jews, because in their view, he’s the most important mainstreamer of anti-Semitism on the Right. This was painful for me to hear, because I consider Tucker a friend, and though I have been disturbed by the anti-Jewish turn his rhetoric has taken, I had not been aware of how extensive his anti-Jewish commentary had been (I don’t regularly listen to his podcast), nor the effect his rhetoric has had on the outlook of American Jews.

So, eventually Ben showed up, and while I’m not going to say what we talked about privately, I’m fairly confident it’s nothing he hasn’t said publicly. We did agree that our friend J.D. Vance, who we both want to be POTUS one day, at some rapidly approaching point, has to take a firm, clear public stand against the Groypers (followers of Nick Fuentes). This evil is not going to burn out on its own; it must be stopped … if it can be, at this point.

As we left the Green Room headed to the stage, we saw on our phones that Tucker had hosted Fuentes on his show. For me, this was a bright red line that I was hoping Tucker would not cross. But cross it he did. Here’s a link to the show, which went for over two hours. Total softball interview, entirely sympathetic. Shockingly so.

For example, Fuentes shocks Tucker at this point in the interview by mentioning as an aside that he is “a fan” of Stalin, and “always an admirer.” He doesn’t explain. “We’ll circle back,” says Tucker, but doesn’t.

I knew that Fuentes hated Jews, but loving Stalin?! I asked Grok. Answer:

Nick Fuentes, a far-right political commentator known for white nationalist and antisemitic views, has expressed a complex and often contradictory fascination with Joseph Stalin. While Fuentes frequently criticizes communism as a “subversive fifth column movement” historically dominated by Jews, he has repeatedly praised Stalin personally for his authoritarian leadership, industrial achievements, and role in defeating Nazism. This admiration is evident in his streams, interviews, and social media posts, where he downplays Stalin’s atrocities (e.g., denying the scale of the Holodomor famine) and even suggests the U.S. would benefit from “full-on Stalinism.” His views appear rooted in a selective admiration for strongman rule, blending it with his broader revisionist takes on World War II.

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So, get this: Fuentes loves Hitler, but loves Stalin in part for defeating Nazism. One gets the idea that young Nick is not the brightest chap, and that he just loves authoritarian tyrants who hate Jews.

Tucker asked nothing about Fuentes’s past statements praising Hitler, or any number of horrific things that have come out of that kid’s mouth, (e.g., “We will make Jews die in the holy war.). And then there’s this, blaming “organized Jewry” for threatening the existence of America, because they allegedly put the tribe over the common good. Watch:

Oh, that’s rich. Fuentes has repeatedly described himself as both an “ethnonationalist” and a “Christian nationalist” who believes that the US should be a Catholic confessional state? He accuses Jews of putting tribalism before national unity, but pro-white, pro-Catholic tribalism is his entire shtick! And Carlson let that go unchallenged. In November 2019, on his show, Fuentes said:

“If antifa was waving the banner of Falangism, if they were waving the banner of Franco, and they were saying ‘Catholic fascism now,’ I would join them… Yes, take over the country. Storm D.C. Take over the capital. Raise the banner of Mussolini and Franco, and, you know, some notable others, right. Oswald Mosley, that would be a great thing.”

This is how dumb Fuentes is. Oswald Mosley was baptized Anglican, but had little regard for religion. He was instead committed to Fascism and anti-Semitism, and said so in his biography. But whatever, Nick.

Tucker Carlson has been up front about his own Protestantism. Funny that he didn’t ask Fuentes about this October 14, 2022 quote:

“Protestantism is a Jewish psyop. It’s a subversion of Christianity. The Reformation was the original Jewish revolution against the Church.”

He has engaged in Holocaust denial, in the sense of saying the numbers of Jews killed was greatly exaggerated, and has repeatedly praised Hitler. Fuentes has been around for a while now, but only really caught on this year, when he got the attention of Tucker Carlson by criticizing him. From the NYT:

Asked to comment on Mr. Fuentes’s remarks, White House officials declined. Current and former members of the Trump administration as well as outside advisers would not be quoted for the record about Mr. Fuentes out of fear, they said, of inviting online attacks from him and his zealous followers. Three of them mentioned the sudden ubiquity of Fuentes-related clips circulating in their social media feeds.

Certain metrics attest to Mr. Fuentes’s surge. Since his X account was reinstated by Elon Musk 16 months ago, the number of his followers appears to have grown from roughly 140,000 to more than 750,000. His “America First” streaming show viewership on Rumble has quintupled to around 500,000.

“Fuentes represents the cutting edge of a right-wing racism that has surged over the past decade during the rise of Trump,” said Matt Dallek, a political historian and expert on right-wing movements at George Washington University. “And it’s clear that he’s becoming more prominent because these bigger influencers are now fighting with him.”

But Mr. Fuentes has yet to demonstrate that he can shape American politics on an electoral level. He said he is determined to thwart the presidential ambitions of Vice President JD Vance, who Mr. Fuentes described as “the end state of Trumpism, a complete fabrication who was created in a lab by Peter Thiel,” the Silicon Valley billionaire who bankrolled Mr. Vance’s 2022 campaign for Ohio’s open Senate seat.

Should Mr. Vance win the Republican nomination in 2028, Mr. Fuentes said he would urge his followers to “either stay home or vote for a protest candidate.”

So now Fuentes and Carlson have made up, and Carlson has, by this squishy-soft interview, introduced Fuentes into the right-wing mainstream. It is legit freaky that we have reached this point in American life.

It is, in fact, Weimar America time.

Donald Trump and J.D. Vance could go a long way in stifling the growth of this evil by forthrightly denouncing it. J.D. is a sincere Christian; I believe that eventually — and I hope soon — he will see what a threat these people are to the faith, and to the kind of America he wants to lead. That day cannot come soon enough.

It is time too for us Gentile Christians to a) wake up to what’s happening in this country, and happening with accelerating speed, and b) speak out against it. I’m telling you, this really is history repeating itself. Older people don’t want to speak out, afraid of the mob, or afraid of alienating their kids, or thinking that they can co-opt the youthful energy for the movement while taking the poison out of its sting, and so forth.

Somebody told me last night that he keeps telling his liberal friends, “You all won’t stop calling Trump ‘Hitler,’ but he’s not Hitler. He’s Hindenburg [the weak old German president who named Hitler chancellor]. Trump might be the only thing standing between us and an actual American Hitler.”

Well, maybe. I think that if the Left nominates a Mamdani type to run for president on an explicitly ideologically radical ticket, and J.D. Vance, or some serious challenger, radicalizes in a Groyper direction, we are well and truly going to be smak in the middle of Weimar. This, I think, is one reason David Betz believes the US is quite vulnerable to civil war.

What baffles me the most about Nick Fuentes is that he is not very smart. Again, he praises both Hitler and Stalin, including praising Stalin for beating Hitler, whom he admires. He hates Jews for being tribal and disloyal to America, while demanding an America that is dominated by whites and Catholics, and in which women lose the vote. He is what they call a “shitposter,” meaning he’ll throw anything at the wall to see if it will stick. And just like that, he is an important figure on the Right.

The fact that Tucker Carlson, the most influential right-wing media figure in America, went from dismissing Fuentes early this year as a gay twerp in a Chicago basement, to having him on his show and blessing him with a soft interview, is a sign of the times. And not a good one. It was a two-man Unite The Right rally. Bad times ahead. The time to find your courage, fellow conservatives and Christians, and speak out against this stuff, is NOW.

Fuentes comes off on the Tucker broadcast as reasonable, despite his anti-Semitism, sexism, and deranged bigotries. If you are tempted to think of Fuentes that way, I advise you to look at this long compilation of the sick pedophilic stuff Fuentes and his followers have posted online. (There is no pedophilia imagery, don’t worry; it’s just screengrabs of texts and videos in which they celebrate pederasty and rape.)

This stuff is not secret. I cannot for the life of me understand why Tucker Carlson gave this deranged little weirdo a sympathetic national platform — and not only that, declined to grill him about all this stuff. If it was a matter of wanting to interrogate a fringe figure who has increasing influence over young men, to find out what he believes and to challenge him on at least some of the more outrageous things he has said (e.g., “Hitler was cool”), I could see it. I still wouldn’t have done it, because Fuentes has no coherent thoughts, only racist, sexist, perverted ranting — but I could have been persuaded to give Tucker the benefit of the doubt. As others have pointed out, part of Charlie Kirk’s greatness was his willingness to dialogue even with people who hated him.

But Charlie actually engaged them critically. There was none of that in the Tucker interview … which made it really boring, in fact. Fuentes is a very, very weird little dude who has produced massive amounts of explosive material in the years since he has been videocasting. It’s not like it’s been hidden. I mean, look:

This is mild by Fuentes standards. There’s so much of this, and far worse! And now, the first time millions of people will learn about Fuentes was through that softball Tucker Carlson interview. Does hating the Jews and Israel make everything okay? I don’t get it.

It is apparently true that toward the end of his life, Charlie Kirk was angry at Jewish donors for pulling out of TPUSA because he wouldn’t distance himself from Tucker Carlson. I think donors have a right to do what they want with their money, and Charlie had a right to be loyal to his friend Tucker Carlson. But I cannot for the life of me understand why, only weeks after Charlie was shot to death, Tucker platformed a vicious turd who spent lots of time openly and vigorously trying to destroy Charlie Kirk and his movement. Where’s the loyalty in that?

At one point in the interview, Tucker says he hates “Christian Zionists” more than anybody else in the world, and declares “Christian Zionism” a “heresy.” Well, gosh. For one thing, Tucker is by his own admission an inactive Episcopalian who doesn’t go to church regularly, so I’m not sure how he knows what a heresy is, or who gets to define it. For another, I don’t know what he means by “Christian Zionism”. Is it the belief that Israel has a right to exist, that the Jews have a right to live in their ancestral homeland, given to them by God? Then I’m a Christian Zionist, even though I certainly do not agree with everything this or any Israeli government does. I have been friends for years with Tucker, but I guess he hates me more even than he hates a Hamas terrorist. I don’t understand any of this, but it makes me very sad.

As I’ve long said: Jews are canaries in the civilizational coal mine. As the gatekeepers and authorities are collapsing everywhere, we are going to see horrible things. I am thinking this morning about my warning from twenty years ago to the Left that if they accepted anti-white identity politics, they were going to legitimize pro-white, anti-everybody else identity politics among a younger generation that lacks the taboos. And it has happened. It is a howling absurdity that Fuentes, Candace, et al. claim to be Christians while promoting this stuff, but you should know that outside the US, the connection between Jew-hating and Christianity is historically well-established.

So, by the same logic, if the Right legitimizes Fuentes-style identitarianism, it is going to push normie liberals (what few there are left) further into radicalism. This is the Weimar dynamic: the feeble and discredited center could not hold against the growing strength of left-wing and right-wing radicals. I think somebody normal and patriotic like J.D. Vance could easily win without the Groyper brigades. But if he does not distance himself from them at some point, it’s going to cost him. Fuentes has for years openly hated Vance, but he also openly hated Tucker Carlson, and now look.

One of you readers wrote to me this morning saying you’re never going to vote Left, but if the 2028 Right includes Groypers, you won’t vote. I think the Groypers only matter today among the Very Online. But ten, twenty years from now? All bets are off.

J.D. Vance needs to make a clear, unambiguous, definitive denunciation of these people, these weirdos from the fringe who are rapidly moving towards respectability (and there’s nothing that could have done more to make that happen than Tucker bringing Fuentes onto his show, and presenting him as a normal figure). Many of us on the Right have wondered for years why decent liberals in authority kept their mouths shut about the left-wing anti-white bigots. And then the crazies took over the party. It’s happening to the Right now. I don’t know where this is going, but it’s nowhere good — and it’s getting there with accelerating speed.

A frightening thought: what if there are no gatekeepers at all anymore? What if anybody can say anything, and do not risk political exile or irrelevance? I remind you that among Hannah Arendt’s signs that a society is susceptible to totalitarianism is when it celebrates transgression for the pleasure of seeing authorities hurt, and when it no longer cares about truth, only narratives that give it pleasure. In that regard, I believe Nick Fuentes being normalized by Tucker Carlson is a Rubicon. Many such cases these days.

Another one — a far more significant one — is coming in a few days, when the voters of America’s most important city will likely hand over the mayoralty to a far-left woke Muslim who believes in communism. Interesting times… .