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Me and my crack-of-dawn coffee circle often speak about the very philosophers, pontificators and prognosticators that you mention in your article. So many opinions about what should and shouldn't be done. But there is a difference between eloquently philosophizing about the wonders of sausage, and actually making the sausage. What might come as a shock to folks who enjoy breakfast cuisine, you gotta kill the pig to make sausage. You gotta carve up the pig to make sausage. You got to handle the guts to make sausage. Donald Trump, the non-believing clown you refer to, is killing and carving up a great, fat, bloated pig. How many other "Republicans" sat in that chair and fed the pig? I can think of a father and son duo who really fattened the pig. We need folks to do the wet work, so we can all enjoy our nice plate of sausage.

I figure most conservative folks in this country have had enough of the intellectuals and instead want to support those who know their way around a gut bucket.

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Thanks for the mention, Rod. It may help me to clarify my various views about ARC and Peterson.

Some slightly scattershot responses from me, then. Sorry if it's a bit long, I am thinking aloud:

I told you a few times that I thought you should avoid the culture war because I thought it would be spiritually healthy for you. That was just a personal thought; one that kept coming to me and that I knew I was supposed to tell you. These endless posts about terrible things that are happening everywhere inflame the passions and I don't think they change much. I know everyone is doing them. But sometimes we need to step back. I suppose that's why I have done it, having once been very political and opinionated. I just have a strong sense - backed up by my Orthodox reading and practice - that this stuff wounds the soul. Having said all that, I always knew that it was a long shot ;-) We all have our path.

On ARC, I think a few different responses mix themselves up in me:

- Where and when it presents itself as a broadly Christian-ish gathering - and some involved have certainly presented it that way - I think it's bad news and I'm going to say so. It is the kind of 'civilisational Christianity' I was complaining about in my Erasmus lecture: that is to say, it sees the way of Christ as a tool for what you call 'cultural renewal.' It puts the cart before the horse. Cultural renewal sounds like a good thing, I suppose. But how are we to know that God wants this culture 'renewed'? Maybe he wants it destroyed ! It wouldn't be the first time. I'm not saying that's where we are - i'm just saying that following Christ and getting your favoured form of culture may be very different things.

- If on the other hand ARC is just a gathering of largely out-of-power right wingers in shiny suits, well then that's no problem from my point of view. They can do what they like and I don't much care. I only wrote about it because I fear that they are going to become the respectable face of heretical 'Christian nationalism.' Otherwise, they're just a bunch of people whose politics I largely don't like. Sebastian Millbank gets partly to why that is. A few commenters on here have mentioned that I am still a 'green' (as if that were a disability rather than something that might give me a bit of insight ;-)) and this is true, but not the whole reason I don't like it. Broadly, it's just not my politics. I see most of these people as exhausted right wingers who have been a round the block for decades, and they promote things I don't like and in some cases actively oppose. This is probably because I am not on the 'dissident right', as you put it, any more than I am on the left. I am a bit of both and a bit of neither. I can agree with some of the ARC people on some issues, but broadly their 'renewal' agenda leaves me cold. Also, it won't work. It's stuck in the past.

- Personally I am also a bit jaded about calls for 'new stories.' This is just my personal history and not anyone else's problem. I started the Dark Mountain Project in 2009 with a very similar call for 'new stories' and we also spent years running events and publishing books along those lines, albeit with a very different flavour. They helped convince me that 'new stories' do not come from the top down. And they certainly don't come from millionaires running glitzy conferences paid for by hedge funds.

As for Peterson: well, my beef with him comes partly from his endlessly parasitical attitude to Christianity, which I've complained about already so don't need to repeat. He is remaking Christ in his own image, and using him as a tool in the culture war. Also, I think Peterson is ignorant on some issues I care about - including, yes, environmental issues. Calling people who try to protect nature 'bloody Gaia worshippers' while he flies about in a private jet calling for an end to 'bloody net zero communism' isn't political commentary; it's just an old right-wing drunk ranting at the bar. Again, Millbank is right about this. What, at root, do these people really want? The right to consume anything they like in a 'free market'? Is it 1979? I see no mention, anywhere, of limits.

And you are right to say they need to have a proper debate about immigration. I do not believe in open borders, it's obvious multiculturalism has failed, and Europe has a big problem with mass migration. But if I have to choose between Pope Francis and Vance on this one, I'm going with Francis, and that's because I'm a Christian. I don't know exactly where I stand on the politics of it all, but I know it's one of those cases where Christ and nationalism will lead me in different directions. That's when, as Christians, we have to choose who we're following.

On that note, here's a long but informative teaching from St Philaret of Moscow on what happened when he went back to his homeland, Russia:

'According to the ineffable providence of God, I find myself once again in this city where I was born, and from which the flow of events took me so completely that I never hoped to see it again. Beyond my hopes, I am once again among my brothers and neighbors among whom I first received the pleasant sensations of life, and how I wish to completely commit myself to this powerful love for my homeland, a love that caused the children of Jerusalem to “take pleasure in her stones, and … have compassion for her dust” (Psalm 101:15). In other words, even the stones of my home city are lovely to me, even the dust of her roads is beloved. My heart is ready now to sing a song to this town, a song that was sung by the children of Jerusalem to their mother: “Ask now for the things regarding the peace of Jerusalem, and there is prosperity for those who love you; let there now be peace in your power and prosperity in your citadels. For the sake of my brothers and my neighbors, I indeed spoke peace concerning you.” (Psalm 121: 6-8)

But what do I hear? This sweet song is cut off by the stern voice of the command of Christ, which, as though intended directly for me, speaks over me today in the midst of this church: “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.” What shall I do? I will sing another song of the psalmist of Israel: “Shall not my soul be submissive to God?” (Psalm 61:2) I will overcome this love for my neighbors and brothers, I will submit it to my love for God and Christ. I will “forget my people and my father’s house” (Psalm 44:11), and I will seek to remember only the people of the Lord and the house of my heavenly Father. In such a spiritual disposition, I am now allowed to continue the song to Jerusalem that I had just stopped singing: “For the sake of the house of the Lord our God, I sought good things for you.” (Psalm 121:9)'

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