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CroneEver's avatar

"If the civilizational order fails at a Roman Empire level, well, most of us will likely still be here. What then? How will we live? How will we get through it until renaissance is possible?"

We'll do it the way they did in the "Dark Ages" (which weren't that dark, actually) - living in smaller enclaves and societies, with special people devoting themselves to maintaining the old learning and beliefs, watching out for marauders, and concentrating on what humans have for thousands of years: feeding / clothing / housing ourselves and our children.

Somewhere, a Byzantium will continue. (It did at the time, and lasted well into the 15th century.)

Sooner or later, the marauders will settle down, and the people who survive will join their enclaves to form kingdoms (for want of a better word).

Chaos never lasts forever: humans like living in stable, safe groups. A new culture will form. For those of us who, should the fall happen soon, and will never live to see the next renaissance, we will be no different than those who died in the late 500's AD, to whom St. Gregory the Great (Pope Gregory I) preached to "us, upon whom the end of the world has come", "Strengthen yourself to bear with the bad; If we are offspring of God's chosen ones, we must learn to live as they did." And begins with the example of Job.

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Linda Arnold's avatar

(1) We should do what we can to prevent decline, awareness and action, but; (2) We should not assume that decline, which in inevitable in the long run, is going to fully happen in our lifetimes. Rome was 500 years in it's decay. (3) There is a mental bias from consuming news. Yes, we should consume news, but the only thing newsworthy is the bad/concerning stuff. We miss much of the good.

People, spiritual peace and effectiveness is not a product of depression and certain-defeatism. We don't really know what will happen. Let's do our best and also admit we just do not know the outcome for certain.

I think saying "doom is certain" is no more likely to bring the change we hope for than saying what changes we need to make and how this will help people. How about - "this hurts us and doom may result but lets try this....."

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