I'm preparing to send in the Florida ballot absentee when the time comes. The text of Amendment 4 :
<<<" No law shall prohibit, penalize, delay, or restrict abortion before viability or when necessary to protect the patient’s health, as determined by the patient’s healthcare provider. This amendment does not change the Legislature’s const…
I'm preparing to send in the Florida ballot absentee when the time comes. The text of Amendment 4 :
<<<" No law shall prohibit, penalize, delay, or restrict abortion before viability or when necessary to protect the patient’s health, as determined by the patient’s healthcare provider. This amendment does not change the Legislature’s constitutional authority to require notification to a parent or guardian before a minor has an abortion.">>>>
"Before viability" are the key words. 24 weeks is currently considered viability. That is probably what will be upheld if this passes. And as a Floridian, I think it will pass, even at 60 percent required to pass. I think it might have failed if we had a 16 week, rather than 6 week law currently in place.
Trump, in an interview said he thought 6 weeks was too short a time, since many women do not even know they are pregnant at that point, so he will vote for this amendment.
I will vote against this amendment, of course.
I think Trump would likely prefer the types of laws much of Europe has - about 15-16 weeks, but he is doing this. - -Personally, I don't see why those not wishing to be pregnant can't check every four weeks, or use two tests since there are false negatives. They know birth control can fail. But I don't support abotion at all except for the life of the mother (or because of an already doomed fetus.)
<<<I think it’s over for the pro-life movement as a meaningful political force in national politics.>>>
In that case, could there not be a movement to fight for 16 weeks, or a movement to fight those who would allow abortion after viability for any reason. It would take being willing to unite with people who want to allow early term abortion. But we need such a movement to save lives.
The Florida amendment would restore Roe, basically, because it provides a "health of the mother" loophole, which, given psychological health, is a massive loophole, same as under Roe.
Roe was at its start fairly restrictive. IMO, I'd rather the state control this issue than the Federal Gov as we can possible expand restriction to abortion in a few more states than reversing a federal policy/law if Harris were to win. I think Trump has figured out he needs to win an election for POTUS not for the local K of C chapter. I say that with all due respect for the K of C....and myself would vote against the FL amendment if possible.
I think you are right that a 16 week law might have been sufficiently acceptable to enough voters to avoid a constitutional amendment. I also think a better amendment would have drawn the line at 20 weeks. But this is what happens when everyone has their eyes on a political football, rather than arriving at a sober compromise, not because morality doesn't count, but because an enforceable law requires a substantial body of public support.
I'm preparing to send in the Florida ballot absentee when the time comes. The text of Amendment 4 :
<<<" No law shall prohibit, penalize, delay, or restrict abortion before viability or when necessary to protect the patient’s health, as determined by the patient’s healthcare provider. This amendment does not change the Legislature’s constitutional authority to require notification to a parent or guardian before a minor has an abortion.">>>>
"Before viability" are the key words. 24 weeks is currently considered viability. That is probably what will be upheld if this passes. And as a Floridian, I think it will pass, even at 60 percent required to pass. I think it might have failed if we had a 16 week, rather than 6 week law currently in place.
Trump, in an interview said he thought 6 weeks was too short a time, since many women do not even know they are pregnant at that point, so he will vote for this amendment.
I will vote against this amendment, of course.
I think Trump would likely prefer the types of laws much of Europe has - about 15-16 weeks, but he is doing this. - -Personally, I don't see why those not wishing to be pregnant can't check every four weeks, or use two tests since there are false negatives. They know birth control can fail. But I don't support abotion at all except for the life of the mother (or because of an already doomed fetus.)
<<<I think it’s over for the pro-life movement as a meaningful political force in national politics.>>>
In that case, could there not be a movement to fight for 16 weeks, or a movement to fight those who would allow abortion after viability for any reason. It would take being willing to unite with people who want to allow early term abortion. But we need such a movement to save lives.
The Florida amendment would restore Roe, basically, because it provides a "health of the mother" loophole, which, given psychological health, is a massive loophole, same as under Roe.
Yes, that is exactly right. So I see "viability" is essentially meaningless...
Great rundown of Roe and post Roe in law: https://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/abortion/upload/Summary-of-Roe-v-Wade-and-Other-Key-Abortion-Cases.pdf
Roe was at its start fairly restrictive. IMO, I'd rather the state control this issue than the Federal Gov as we can possible expand restriction to abortion in a few more states than reversing a federal policy/law if Harris were to win. I think Trump has figured out he needs to win an election for POTUS not for the local K of C chapter. I say that with all due respect for the K of C....and myself would vote against the FL amendment if possible.
I think you are right that a 16 week law might have been sufficiently acceptable to enough voters to avoid a constitutional amendment. I also think a better amendment would have drawn the line at 20 weeks. But this is what happens when everyone has their eyes on a political football, rather than arriving at a sober compromise, not because morality doesn't count, but because an enforceable law requires a substantial body of public support.